Thank you Greenhill for guiding and inspiring our
conversation last Friday and Monday! In our attempt to respond to your posting,
we came full circle in our conclusions: we both have a new appreciation for the
kind of sacred respect that is practiced
by literary communities when engaging Shakespeare’s texts (all lines seem to matter!!) and have gained a new admiration for
the efforts made by directors like that at Greenhill because cutting lines is tough.
On the first cut: We used a different edition, but if we
understood the cut correctly, Greenhill suggested eliminating the lines when
Derby/Stanley converses with Queen Elizabeth before Richard makes his entrance
in scene 3. Both Sumer and Cole seemed to resist making such a cut:
Sumer: While the dialogue between Queen Elizabeth and Derby
is short, cutting it would hinder both literary analysts and theatre
spectators. I worry that, without those lines, we lose full view of how
Elizabeth is perceived by other characters other than Richard. In the short
exchange between the Queen and the men of her court, Elizabeth forgives Derby,
almost before greeting him, for the hate his wife bears for her. This
demonstrates that, while not as cunning as Richard, Queen Elizabeth does have
her wits about her. In return, Derby apologizes to his Grace for his wife's
words and even goes as far as to imply that her dislike stems from some kind of
deficiency. Those eight or so lines demonstrate that not only Richard carries a
low opinion of the “common-born” Queen, but it also shows her ability to
influence and intimidate others, shown in Derby's immediate condemnation of his
wife. The original first cuts by Greenhill do make sense and move the action
along, but the cut also closes the scope on an already narrowly-viewed
character such as Queen Elizabeth.
Cole: On first thought, cutting Elizabeth's lines with Derby
seems like one of the best ways to make the appropriate cuts for shortening the
length and focusing our attention on the primary action. After some analysis, I
think the lines show that Elizabeth’s position could be weaker than we
realized. Also, Elizabeth’s and Derby’s words show that there are divided
alliances even after the War of the Roses. Also some of Elizabeth's
persuasive personality is shown in these lines. She is able to confront
Derby very quickly, making him share his thoughts about his wife. Like
Greenhill, these are the cuts I would make, but upon in depth analysis I worry
if it would take away from Elizabeth’s character.
Anuj, however, agreed with the suggested cuts: In the first
cut suggested by Greenhill, the behavior of the wife of the Earl of Derby was
brought up by Queen Elizabeth as being rather scathing and arrogant. Queen
Elizabeth's mention of Lord Stanley's wife's behavior shows that the Queen has
the ability to verbally put someone on the defensive in a conversation, but these
short lines under consideration do not present any main ideas for the scene,
instead showing peripheral subjects that would not be missed in a reading or
performance. With the need to cut lines from the scene in mind, I agree that
the ejection of this short discourse would not harm the mechanics of the scene
and would therefore be an appropriate cut.
On the second cut: We had a great discussion about
Margaret’s role in the play, and we considered the effect of cutting some of
her more repetitive asides. Here’s what we realized:
Nick agreed: Queen Margaret had many asides and they all
seemed to have the same effect, making this appear to be a great cut. These
asides do emphasize, however, Margaret's resentment and bitterness to the other
families while making her look a little crazy. They show her character. The
Director of Drama here at Oakridge suggested that Margaret should be treated as
a character "on the side," and following the script, Margaret does
enter unnoticed by anyone (stage directions state, "Enter Old Margaret,
[apart from others.]"). So I do think cutting some of her lines could help
move the scene forward without taking much away.
Cade had some doubts: On first read, cutting some of
Margaret's lines seemed like a very logical and easy decision, but the more I
considered it, the more I saw her repeated lines as necessary for her portrayal
to the audience. I think we are to see her as one who is crazy and able to see
the future, and her asides add to her appearance making her over-dramatic and
even annoying. As a reader, her lines and asides did seem irritating or
obnoxious perhaps, but maybe this is exactly how Shakespeare wanted us to feel
about this character. Although it is very easy to declare all Shakespeare’s lines
as relevant, it is much more difficult to actually cut them and I believe the
Greenhill students did an excellent job at this.
Ana presented a suggestion: I think Margaret is an
interesting, foreshadowing character. I feel like she shows us what Queen
Elizabeth might end up being like if her husband dies. In class someone
described Margaret as a "grieving, melodramatic widow" whose feelings
of bitterness and acrimoniousness tread the line of sanity. But I don’t think
this character needs a spotlight for her at center stage, and as a director, I
would suggest that other characters talk over her, thereby ignoring her
warnings and drowning her voice out. That might be another option, just having
characters actively ignore her by talking over her many asides and warnings.
As stated before, we came full circle in this discussion –
appreciating both the literary reverence for all of Shakespeare’s words as well
as the creative vision and courage demonstrated by directors who work to bring
such words to life on the stage for our enrichment. Thanks again Greenhill for
stimulating such great discussion here at Oakridge!
Hello Oakridge! thanks for your thorough and thoughtful response (and for the friendly video). As you're reading through the play, do you see scenes/lines/characters that you'd cut? I know Mr. Colley is fond of the scrivener scene--would you keep it? Why/not?
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