This is a response to the posting linked here.
Here at The Oakridge School, first period English class had a rich discussion on the concept of moral integrity thanks to the post by Ashley Grey from The Hockaday School. Our discussion focused on two statements from her piece, namely that “[Anne] ruins her moral integrity by accepting [Richard’s] ring” and that “[Elizabeth] slightly compromises her moral integrity in her verbal spar with Richard and Margaret.” We discussed these ideas at length yesterday (thank you Ashley Grey!!), and here’s some ideas we came up with:
We had mixed
reactions about Anne. Some of us agreed that Anne loses her moral integrity by
accepting Richard’s ring while others urged us to consider whether she had a real choice at that moment in time. Some
in first period suggested that the moment she’s presented with an actual choice
is when Richard offers his sword. Richard tells her in that exchange, “Take up
the sword again, or take up me” (1.2.210), and we interpreted this to mean that
if she does not marry him, her only option is to kill him then and there –
meaning that when she’s faced with the request to take the ring there is no
real option not to do it. We thought
that integrity as a concept entails choice, and with that in mind we wondered
whether her choice not to kill Richard (she does say, “I will not be thy executioner”) is where she compromises her moral
integrity. Here’s what we wrote:Here at The Oakridge School, first period English class had a rich discussion on the concept of moral integrity thanks to the post by Ashley Grey from The Hockaday School. Our discussion focused on two statements from her piece, namely that “[Anne] ruins her moral integrity by accepting [Richard’s] ring” and that “[Elizabeth] slightly compromises her moral integrity in her verbal spar with Richard and Margaret.” We discussed these ideas at length yesterday (thank you Ashley Grey!!), and here’s some ideas we came up with:
Tierney: I believe that Anne may indeed be a very moral woman that was just confused by Richard's words in a time when it’s hard to think clearly. Richard, being the mastermind that he is, tried to “woo” her during a time of mourning. This is also what causes her unwillingness to kill Richard in scene 2. Although killing Richard could’ve been a very helpful deed to all characters in the play, her mourning state of mind actually makes possible her higher moral stance to choose not to act out violently.
Shelby: Yes, I don't
think Anne betrayed her moral position when she chose not to kill Richard. Even
after Richard killed both her husband and father-in-law, she didn't want to
kill him herself. What I like about Anne is that she keeps up with Richard in
his attempts at verbal conquest and when he then tests her willingness to
confront him with physical power, she refuses to do it. Perhaps Anne, after seeing
what happens when other people are killed, wished to break the cycle of the
logic of violence and vengeance which was destroying the Yorks and Lancasters. Could
she have accepted the ring for this reason? Was it for peace? Although killing
Richard might have saved many people down the line Anne had no way of knowing
this and she upheld her moral principles as best she could. In my opinion,
because she chooses not to act violently, she has no real choice when offered
the ring, and her integrity remains unblemished.
Some of us
disagreed with Tierney’s and Shelby’s interpretation here.Richard gives Anne the choice to take his life |
Caleb: The fact that Anne chose not to kill Richard, at first glance, shows that she is indeed moral. Not killing someone when you know that they murdered your father-in-law and husband shows restraint and moral integrity. Or does it? Anne could have been aware of the fact that she was out of power, and if she married Richard, she'd be back in the loop. This would mean that Anne was indeed lacking in morality. Little does Anne know that no matter what the cause of her actions, she still fell into the palm of Richard's hand. She doesn't seem aware that Richard plans on killing her. If she had killed Richard when he had given her the chance, she would've prevented a lot of grief and trouble for everyone, but her mind was either too focused on getting back into power or too fixed – impractically speaking – on being morally righteous as a nonviolent Christian.
We spent a lot of
time in class also discussing the statement made about Elizabeth in scene 3 of
Act 1, and we didn’t disagree with the idea that Elizabeth’s verbal alliances
with Richard against Margaret “slightly compromise her moral integrity.” Our
discussion, however, quickly shifted to Margaret and the verbal power she wields
in her curses against Richard and Elizabeth.
Kourtnei: There is
no doubt that Queen Margaret is bitter and angry. This is a result of not only
Richard III killing her husband and son, but also because in killing them,
Richard removed her from power. As Hockaday points out, Queen Margaret does not
even slightly attempt to hide her dislike for Richard verbally speaking. She
announces that she despises him. One would think that her obvious dislike for
Richard would be her main outlet of aggression and bitterness, but rather than
this being the case, Queen Margaret instead targets everyone, instead of just
Richard. In doing this, she turns people against her, almost forcing them to
side with Richard. Does this destroy her
moral cause of trying to oppose Richard’s agenda? Instead, Margaret’s words end
up turning everyone against HER rather than Richard.The point made by Kourtnei got us thinking about the moral position of Margaret in Act 1, and we immediately made note (as many critics have) that she functions much like a “moral chorus” does in Greek tragedies. Her position remains steadfast and consistent expressing constant disapproval of the feuding factions of post-Lancastrian England. And then Elizabeth (a student from 1st period)reminded us of the irony of our reading:
Richard conflicts with Queen Margaret |
We were fascinated by this question of moral integrity, and we thank Ashley Grey of The Hockaday School for directing our conversation this way. As we reflected on the conversation, we noticed that we were most motivated to find evidence for defending the integrity of Anne, but some of us remain staunch defenders of Ms. Grey’s assessment that such integrity gets ruined when she takes the ring…
Thank you Hockaday School! |
Hi Oakridge! Our class has been taking on Richard III from an interesting perspective, focusing specifically on morality. We are in a philosophy class, after all! We very much enjoyed reading about your perceptions of Anne and came up with some of our own ideas as well. You mentioned that some of the class believed Anne had no real choice in regards to Richard because she had to pick between marriage and execution. While we agree that Anne would most likely have selected marriage given those circumstances, we questioned whether she truly had no choice other than the two options aforementioned. Could Anne have walked away from Richard, accepting neither of the options? If so, would that have affected her moral integrity differently? In my opinion, I believe Anne could have entirely removed herself from the situation and kept her moral integrity intact without compromising it. Though Richard gave her an ultimatum, I see nothing that obligates her to him in any way other than pity toward his desperation.
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